“Just saw Mike Pence’s statement on the fact that he had no right to do anything with respect to the Electoral Vote Count, other than being an automatic conveyor belt for the Old Crow Mitch McConnell to get Biden elected President as quickly as possible. Well, the Vice President’s position is not an automatic conveyor if obvious signs of voter fraud or irregularities exist. That’s why the Democrats and RINOs are working feverishly together to change the very law that Mike Pence and his unwitting advisors used on January 6 to say he had no choice. The reason they want it changed is because they now say they don’t want the Vice President to have the right to ensure an honest vote. In other words, I was right and everyone knows it. If there is fraud or large scale irregularities, it would have been appropriate to send those votes back to the legislatures to figure it out. The Dems and RINOs want to take that right away. A great opportunity lost, but not forever, in the meantime our Country is going to hell!”
By Donald J. Trump
We KNOW Lying Pence had other choices. What coin were you given on January 6, Lying Pence? Will you show us? Will you explain what you had to do to get it?
To the REAL and GREATEST PRESIDENT EVER, we await your return! To the GREATEST 1ST FAMILY EVER, we await your return as well!
We need someone good to replace Mitch! And Mike P, well forget it, the only way he’ll get anywhere is by cheating or being planted into a position by RINOS or Dems.
Lying Pence knew what his duty was. Everybody would like to say that “the people spoke” but everyone knows they did not speak FJB and his regime. Everybody that day knew that Trump had proof of the steal and the people spoke for DJT. Pence knew that he was sanctioning a stolen election to further his career. Don’t you dare speak of God and country again….You have forsaken both. Good Riddance loser.
Mike Pence is a TRAITOR and a LIAR!
Corrupt Pence SHOULD BE SHOT for TREASON!
Mmmm Stuart, maybe not so much. Mike Pence is the quintessential Republican…of yesteryear. He actually is a very respectable, God fearing man. He understands what is going on but he doesn’t rock the boat because it is not professional to do so. While this worked in his era, it will no longer… Mike Pence did not change. The Democrats have. They have become radically unprincipled and deceitful fascists that are taking advantage of our political and social systems to take it for themselves (aka new definition of EVIL). We need contemporary conservative leaders that understand and respect the system that our founding fathers put into place and will work to preserve that system, unselfishly, at any cost. Real leaders and statesman.
We do not need nor want people in government who cannot keep up with the ever changing environment. And if he is truly Godfearing rather than Pence trying to escalate his own career, he would have done his job. No excuses for the traitor who ruined our country. He was the last line of defense and he chose himself over his country and his religion. I hope he is swept up with the rest of them on reckoning day.
I agree that we do not need nor want people in government who cannot keep up with the ever changing environment and I stated this. It is also intellectually dishonest to label Mike Pence as a traitor. In addition, President Trump ultimately chose him as his running mate therefore President Trump owns some responsibility, right? We will fail if we don’t hold both the President and Vice President responsible for their decisions.
….. God fearing????
Where is the heart of David…. Oh wait a min I am a radical because I believe that stuff.
I know I am a low down no good sinner… but that don’t make the Bible BS.
He is the leader… he was second in command to the entire United States…
PLAYING STUPID IS NOT OKAY ANYMORE….
Good God fearing man huh….
Maybe a Saul…. But definitely not a David…
Not rocking the boat HAS ZERO TO DO WITH PROFESSIONALISM!!!!
If he is a God fearing man… HE WOULD KNOW GOD WORKS IN CHAOS.
HIS HANDS CAN OPEN UP AND MAKE MORE BLESSINGS THAN WE HAVE EVER SEEN!!!
WE ARE THE SALT OF THE EARTH!!!
GOD FEARING IS WHAT ROCKS THE BOAT!!!!!
So…. You want to try explaining that again????
Daniel… rocked the boat.
David rocked the boat.
Jonathan rocked the boat.
Jacob rocked the boat.
Deborah rocked the boat.
Samuel rocked the boat.
Samson rocked the boat.
Gideon rocked the boat.
Ruth rocked the boat.
Esther rocked the boat.
JESUS FLIPPED THE BOAT OVER AND ASKED IF IT WAS A BOAT AT ALL….
So please explain this to me.
Rocking the boat has a lot to do with professionalism… if you are Mike Pence. I did not state that I agree with the decision Mike Pence made. I am attempting to explain why he made his decision from my point of of view. Why? It is simply unfair to call Mike Pence corrupt, a traitor or suggest that he be shot for treason because he followed traditional protocol. No reasonable person believes that Mike Pence intentionally sabotaged President Trump. Instead, Mike Pence was and is the wrong person for the times. I will remind you that President Trump ultimately chose him as his running mate therefore President Trump owns some responsibility, right?
When he was confronted with disputed votes, Mike Pence had the obligation to reject them and return them to the legislatures.
Then, the responsibility would have been out of his hands until the States resolved any discrepancies.
He (willfully) allowed disputed votes to taint all the legitimate votes.
It is intellectually dishonest to label Pence Godfearing and respectable. Not any more. He changed in his four years when he started having aspirations of his own, which I might add, were far reaching. It doesn’t matter, you will never change my mind to not follow the constitutional duty of the VP and I will never get you to see that he should have. That is one reason why zealots of any kind cannot be President. Look at FJB and his regime. They are zealots. It just doesn’t work.
Huh… traditional protocol…. You mean like the president and Vice President being of the same party… you mean where swift action with little explanation happens to pull the wool over the American people’s eyes….
(No I am not trying to be disrespectful… I know my words come off pointed)
Here is the deal. President trump promised to
FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE LAW.
When that is said it means the law of the land…. Our presidential elections have not been constitutional since before the Civil war:
They have been manipulated by the federalist(the [DS]) for a very very long time.
The civil war itself was a trap set to destroy the United States by the [DS].
The whole “north/south” thing is a made up bunch of bullshit they came out with in the eighties to further the cabal’s plans. Actually to preserve the plans they already had in place.
It’s hard for most people to see we won independence from England in the war…
But we have been continuously fighting for it ever since.
There were and are only two groups. Their names have changed and been manipulated.
The Republican Party was not the party for the rich…. It was manipulated that way by the [DS]. It was originally Americans that believed in The constitution and “the republic for which it stands….”
(That last line is why they want the pledge of allegiance removed from schools.)
The Republican Party was for patriots that believed in the Republic of the United States of America.
Not this corporate bullshit we have had in place since 1913.
1913… the year everything illusionary was made into stone…
The other party was the federalist. They had another name during the war… they were called the loyalist.
The civil war was designed to wipe every living soul that believed in the constitution off the face of the earth…
It was actually “suspended” for MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.
The federalist, cabal, GOP, Dixiecrats…. You name them…. Literally appointed politicians until the battle of liberty place….
The obelisk removed from sight in New Orleans by using removing the confederate statues as a cover…
Oh yeah. My dad brought me there on a regular.
Their “appointments” caused Jim Crow… they actually designed and created “racism” as a whip to make the people do what they wanted. No better way to sway the people than with hatred and turmoil.
It was the final key of what we call “political science” today.
The Vice President was a stand alone office at one time. And part of his duties was election integrity… I can’t remember exactly when that was changed or why… but it was that the electoral college voted for two people. One president. One Vice President… the one with the most votes became president… (now my history teacher is kicking it.).
I do remember this:
The change was fully unconstitutional… and it was never challenged due to political back scratching.
I am a pauper. A no body. And useful idiot.
And you are telling me I know more about the vice presidency than the supposed second most wise man of the United States at that time??
Something is not right…
Oh yeah… the assholes that have been trying to destroy our country since it’s conception…
I am not saying he should be shot…
But from what I have seen so far… his actions are treasonous.
But then again… so has every politician since before the civil war.
The truth is… the cabal pretty much succeeded in wiping the United States off the face of the planet… except for a few of us hopeless romantics that get the shit kicked out of them for being “dreamers” (you have no idea how much I laughed my ass off when they used that name… it was like a kick in the teeth… they called us dreamers and beat the shit out of us then threw us in jail over and over…. They ain’t even citizens and everyone loves them).
I really ain’t understanding what happened to make this movement actually static.
The police have been happy with cabal rule.
The judges and magistrates have been happy with cabal rule….
The only ones that have not… well… we got to watch as our families were made more and more uninformed and the likes of “Dr. Spock” re-enforced the insanity.
They got assonated… mysteriously disappeared… names drug through the mud… found burning in cars…
Now back to the guy…. It is not for me to say shoot, or hang…
But… it is for me to yell bullshit.
And my bullshit o meter is at 20 with that one… and to play stupid about his job…
Treason. Even if it is not a chargeable offense in the nation….
You say God fearing… and I say he betrayed his lord and savior.
I am hoping he was not… and he did it to expose the cabal… but his actions and statements I have read…
I ain’t holding my breath.
What a HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT Pence has turned out to be.. A COMPLETE DISGRACE! Wonder if his failure to do his job is considered TREASON? Military tribunals?? Hummmm..
Military tribunals apply ONLY to members of the military, subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Why is that concept so bloody hard for you people to grasp?
Mike Pence missed the most important opportunity in his political life. He neither had the wisdom nor the courage to stand up for the legitimate voters on Jan 6th. He’s part of the elites & same coward as the chief Justice. You are absolutely right, Mr. President! Our country is going thru hell. An appointed president by the rich & powerful would never worked for the people.
Absolutely right!! Pence, Biden and McConnell are all cowards! Pence sat there and didn’t have the guts to stand up.to Pelosi as she sat there and tore up the State of the Union in Feb. 2020 behind his back. One knows he could hear her criminally tearing it up. They are all three criminals.
Tearing up a copy of the SOTU address is not a crime. The very idea is ridiculous in the extreme.
If a person voted that high up the food chain don’t know what his damn job is God help us all.
It seems pretty simple to us.
Disputed votes are invalid votes which require further examination by the legislatures.
Maybe it’s just that it was you and your team raising concerns.
With anyone else, the right thing would have been done quickly and easily.
Exactly right, Sir. I could not watch any of the events of that day and I won’t fully engage ‘news’ broadcasting until you are back. Hearing that impostor called ‘president’ is too much to bear.
THE VICE PRESIDENT JOB USED TO BE RAN FOR STAND ALONE SPECIFICALLY FOR KEEPING THE ELECTIONS ON THE UP AND UP….. AND THIS TRAITOR IS SAYING HE DONT BELIEVE HE HAS THE POWER!!!
HE IS BALD FACED LYING!!!!
I AM SICK TO DEATH OF THESE LYING BACKSTABBING TWO TIMING PIECE OF SHIT TREACHEROUS ASSHOLES!!!!!!
FJB! and TRAITOR PENCE!
It would certainly NOT be “appropriate to send those votes back to the Legislatures to figure it out,” and the reason is really quite simple: No state’s Constitution gives its Legislature such authority. Or, at least, not yet.
In every State, certification of election results is wholly within the purview of the Executive Branch; in most cases, the Secretary of State is the certifying officer, duly authorized by the state’s Constitution to perform as such. However, in the past few years, Republican-controlled legislatures in a number of states have passed laws aimed at short-circuiting this process. From their perspective, this only makes sense; after all, in 23 states, Republicans control both houses of the legislature and the Governor’s mansion, versus only 13 states where the Democrats have such control. Republicans are understandably glad to use this to their advantage, especially given the embarrassing fact that Democrats have won the popular vote in seven of the past eight Presidential elections.
However, the real weakness – and real danger – in Trump’s logic is in regard to “fraud or large scale irregularities.” Basically, who decides whether it’s happened, and based on what criteria? Trump would have us believe that the Vice-President alone can decide, and act accordingly – and that’s simply unacceptable. To do so would, literally, make the Vice-President a dictator; he or she alone would decide who will be President. Is that what the Framers intended? More to the point, is that what we want?
Unfortunately, to many on this thread, including those who have decreed that Democrats should be denied the right to vote at all, it would seem that the answer is “yes.”
Pence = Judas!
FJB! and YOU!
The commies and rinos used the china virus as an excuse to go unconstitutional on the election laws and steal the 2020 election. President Trump will show you the proof when he returns. And yes, the framers did intend for the VP to be the last defense, not to a free and fair election, but rather to a political party that went rogue and stole it.
Trump has no proof to show. So he won’t be showing it to me, or anyone else, “when he returns.”
He won’t be returning.
yes, he will. Just watch.
What are the specific “obvious signs of voter fraud”?
Sorry; there are no such signs. That question is constantly, repeatedly ignored here.
Do you have any coupons? Paper or plastic?
I have a Knuckle Sandwich For YOU!
You’re threatening a woman? Wow.
Real tough, aren’t you?
Well, please guys, you all calm down a bit… :/
Why all this hate and insults?
I am from Europe and I’ve followed this man’s posts and speeches for a long time now, and I just can’t wrap my head around it. Donald Trump is a horribly abusive and offensive man. Started with Obama’s birth certificate and the “You’d be in jail” during the presidential debate. And he’s gone on and on and on with the insults and name-calling (Crooked Hillary, Shifty Schiff, Crazy Nancy, Old Crow McConnell and many others). Some may think it’s funny, but it’s not, it’s just mean and disrespectful. And you all seem to have been manipulated and adopted this vileness. When he himself was trending on Twitter as Diaper Donny he surely didn’t like it.
Now about this post, it is again full of lies or misleading phrases. He writes there were “obvious signs of voter fraud or irregularities”. Well, there may have been “signs”, at least in the eyes of those that want to believe the election was stolen, but there has been no proof and evidence and all cases in court were lost. And therefore the VP had no choice but to certify. In fact, there is proof and evidence that he himself tried to steal the elction by asking Raffensberger “to find 11,750 votes”. Huh?
It was a fair and safe election, and he lost. Period. Just get a grip on it and move on. Biden won, and why? Not because Biden is was a great candidate, but because the majority of Americans just hate this man, this “clown”, this evil narcisisst who just thinks he is the greatest man ever, and a sore loser. Rebublicans won on the SAME ballots where he lost, so people voted republican but not for him as the president, because they can’t stand him and his behavior, and they wanted him gone. Some of his politics may have been good actually, like doing something about the huge trade deficit with China or about the illegal immigration. I get that. Other things were not so good, like leaving the Paris Climate Accord or the ridiculous PR gag when he shook hands with Kim at the North Korean border.
Anyways, he lost fair and square, and you all need to accept that and move on. Your country is NOT going to hell. That is also one of his strategies. He has been fear-mongering for years, the “radical communists” wanting to take away your religion and your guns, your borders, your healthcare, raise taxes, defund the police, let criminals from other countries in, your suburbs are going away, America is a laughing stock (he was a laughing stock among the other world’s leaders), etc etc. None of that is going to happen, the Democrats love their country too. He is doing that to get your money (most of it going into his own pockets), and to claim the presidency or to stay in power, and now to stay relevant, because of his huge ego. The sooner we all forget him, the better. He has divided and radicalized the US like never before, and that is very dangerous. Respect people that think differently, respect the rule of law, respect the concept of democracy. Please.
I also believe not all these posts here and in other places were made by real people. Some troll factories whereever (Russia?) are riding the wave, fan the flames, to sow even more unrest and hate and to divide and weaken the US. And Trump is playing right in to their hands.
Thank you and Mark Rakow for the sane and truthful remarks. It won’t change any minds on this site, but nice to not see screaming, yelling, swearing, etc. for a change. I’m surprised they even allowed this to be printed. They do a lot of censoring of people who don’t agree with trump and his allies.
Thank you. I am a firm believer in telling the truth. That said, on occasion I have misstated facts. We all do it; nobody is perfect. When that happens, and I get called on it, I believe in owning up to it, and setting the record straight.
Unfortunately, not everyone is willing, or able, to do that. Some people insist on telling bald-faced lies. These are easy to identify; their emphasis is more about insults than about facts. More often, though, what I see here are not intentional lies, but inaccurate statements, retold by people who simply don’t know any better, and they’re too lazy – or ignorant, or careless – to fact-check themselves. Or they refuse to, because they may find out that what they believe, and what others tell them, is wrong.
As for censuring on this site, I honestly don’t know if that happens. To the best of my knowledge, nothing I’ve posted here has been deleted nor censured. True; what I say is often criticized and quite harshly, but it’s never stopped me, and it’s not going to.
In short, if people don’t like what I have to say, tough bananas. That’s on them.
Stay in Europe!
THE USA Doesn’t Want YOU!
FJB! and EUROPE!
Wow…you express your opinion a little better than most trolls…good for you…🤣🤣🤣
Who is this guy????
For all the words he put out… sure didn’t say much of anything….
Very NOT brilliant, old chap. Please mind your own business and not speak of things you know nothing about. Or you can move here and mingle with the commies. Europe is certainly indoctrinated to socialism. But this isn’t that. This is marxism and a total reset of the greatest country in the world. The new world order. Hang on to your ass because no one knows where Europe will fall. Stay home and worry about your own failing Europe.
HE IS A TREACHEROUS BACK STABBING SCUMBAG!!!
THE MAN MADE HIS CHOICE!!!
THERE IS NO RETURNING!!!
YOU WERE THE LAST LINE OF DEFENSE IN VOTER FRAUD!!!
A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT IN THE 90’s WAS TAUGHT ABOUT THE POSSIBLE INFILTRATION FROM WITHIN AND ALL THE DEVICES SET UP IN PLACE TO PROTECT US!!!
THE CONGRESSIONAL COUNT WAS PART OF THE PROTECTION PLAN ASSHOLE!!!
BUT NOT WITH YOU CONSTITUTION CHANGING AND TWISTING ASSHOLES WE HAVE TODAY!!!!
YOU ARE A LYING SCUMBAG AND YOU KNOW IT!!!
YOU WERE HIRED TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION!!!!
YOU WERE PUT IN PLACE AND GIVEN AN OATH TO UPHOLD AND PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION!!!!
I GUESS THEY WERE BULLSHIT TOO!!!!
HE IS ANOTHER BOMBNEY WHO SAYS HE LOVES THE CONSTITUTION THEN STABS IT IN THE BACK AT THE VERY LAST SECOND CALMING HE WAS RESTRICTED BY THE CONSTITUTION LIKE A LYING SACK OF SHIT!!!
THEIR GOAL AND REASON FOR DOING THIS IS TO UNDER CUT TO CONSTITUTION TRYING TO TELL THE PEOPLE THE CONSTITUTION IS OBSOLETE!!! IT IS A PLOY TO EXCUSE THEIR OBVIOUS TREACHERY AND DESTROY THE CONSTITUTION AT THE SAME TIME!!!!!!
THE CONSTITUTION IS NOT OBSOLETE!!!!
IT IS NOT RESTRICTIVE TO MAKE POLITICIANS MAKE TREACHEROUS DECISIONS!!!
THEY ARE SIMPLY TRAITORS!!!!
AMEN PRESIDENT TRUMP!!!!!
We have protections and check points for a reason and pence failed
Pence would not have overturned the election. The legislatures would have figured it out. That is how it was supposed to be. He is a traitor.
If that’s “how it was supposed to be,” that’s exactly how it would appear in the Constitution. However, since that’s not the case, guess what?
That’s not how it’s supposed to be.
We received all the info and the rules how it was to be handled….
Pence is a loser; he was supposed to do his job back in Dec.2020 before Jan.2021. But….he didn’t do it and I think right, after that The Pences try to leave DC.
Pence betray us and President Trump. Pence went ahead let the Electoral Votes go through….
A lot of mistakes were made by our side in the 2020 election, but the treason of mike pence tops them all! Seems like this country is back to the wild west! Anyone can do whatever they want, including stealing the presidential election, and NOTHING will be done about it!!
You just may be right!
Something will be done soon.
Under your leadership, President Trump, America is safe . We need you back where America wants you as our very courageous leader.
Pence is a RINO, you were surrounded by spies and RINOS and fought everyday for the people. You are the rightfully elected President of the USA. No one and nothing can change that.
With respect can you please resolve the issue with Robby Starbuck.
Pence is a traitor. Everyone knows he had this right. I blame him personally for the plight this country is in. It is a disgrace to the patriots of this country. The Democrats and RINOs are working as fast as possible to destroy America. Hopefully the truckers in Canada are just the beginning of our fight back!
Americans have shown thus far, they are AFRAID to fight back. No one wants to assemble anymore as everyone knows, they will come after you with a vengeance. You can only “peacefully” protest if you are BLM or antifa. Then you are FREE to wreak havoc. Never anything to see here.
Anyone who understands the Constitution knows he DOESN’T have this right. Many Trump supporters insist he did, but it’s clear they have neither read, nor understand, the Constitution.
It’s also clear that you, among others, do not understand the meaning of the word “traitor.”
Isn’t it amazing to see the true colors of everyone, WE WILL NEVER FORGET
You have been right so many times Mr. President, I’ve lost count. The career politicians hate you for it because it shines a negative light on their stupidity, greed and power lust.
They hate him because he has love for country and NOT ONE of those traitors (there are SO many now that have been exposed) love this country. It’s stomach turning disgusting how much they have done and how FAST they are on a warpath to destroy this beautiful country. Sickening. Truly sickening to watch what they are doing. We are Living in a nightmare.
You’re a Liberal Dope Head!
We need to take our country back. I’m tired of these American hating demoRATS and do nothing Republicans .
It would take a civil war at this point. That very well may be the Only way too regain our country back. ALL the scum needs to be weeded out and the swamp COMPLETELY drained this time around. And until our elections are secure, I certainly wouldn’t have hopes too high of the GOP taking over. And even if they do, they have shown their true colors as well. I knew we had RINOS but who knew we have SO many. You can’t exactly trust them anymore either. And RONNA ROMNEY needs to go!! Past due.
DID YOU MEAN MITT ROMNEY?
Nah. I know she’s his niece which is absolutely part of the problem. The GOP shouldn’t have her in charge of anything. He is one of the biggest RINOS there are. Everyone knows it now. Ronna McDaniel should not be associated with the RNC at all with her uncles track record. Mitt is a backstabber and Ronna isn’t any better.
The do nothings need to be voted out and new conservatives voted in!
If you’re hoping they’ll be Trump conservatives, you might be sorely disappointed. At least eight Trump-endorsed House and Senate primary challengers are trailing the Republican incumbent in terms of fund-raising – many by huge margins. Liz Cheney, for example, has a campaign war chest almost nine times larger than Trump Chump Harriet Hageman. Michigan Rep. Peter Meijer raked in donations more than eight times higher last quarter than his Trumpian challenger. Fred Upton, also of Michigan, outpaced his primary challenger by more than five times last quarter.
The fact is, if you’re out of money, you can’t win a primary. And if you don’t win the primary, you’re just out of luck.
As for Trump himself, he doesn’t give a damn for these people. And he doesn’t give a dime to them either. Helluva guy.